Light side or Dark side? - Page 5

Darth Sidious · 10-20-2005, 02:35 PM

Besides, not all Sith are evil. Darth Pleigus used to the Force to bestow immortality upon those he cared about.

And during a conversation with Visas Marr in KOTOR II, she states there is more to the Sith than simply rage and bloodlust.

PureEgo 03 · 10-21-2005, 07:43 PM

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Besides, not all Sith are evil. Darth Pleigus used to the Force to bestow immortality upon those he cared about.

And during a conversation with Visas Marr in KOTOR II, she states there is more to the Sith than simply rage and bloodlust.

wow, good memory on the Visas Marr

out of curiousity though, I always figured that Palpatine *just to cut down on the confusion smith

* was blowing smoke up Anakins *** with that story? a way to keep him off balance and unfocused. main reason for my conclusion on that is that I believe Sidious would've killed Padme eventually, just so Anakin would've had no one else to turn to afterwards. you know of anywhere that supports the claim of that being the truth?

setite · 10-22-2005, 02:34 AM

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that was rather amusing Smith lol.

setite, I don't quite follow your reasoning there? Jedi kill only when they have to but the sith can kill whenever they want to? so this ability to just kill anyone and everyone when they want to garruntees them victory? Judging by history being a mass murderer has never won a war before *cough* hitler*cough*.

i tried to distinguish that a sith does what must be done to accomplish the goal, without hesitation or mercy, because they believe in their cause that much, the jedi kill when its necessary, but would love to find a way out if possible.. sith will cut down any obstruction in their way and not think twice... jedi lack the logic to act and it is what caused their fall time after time IMO... forgive me for siding with the dark sides but i feel that their methods of going about things is the result of the oppression in times where they were victimized for following their natural desire to end the war...

and palpatine is the apprentice who killed plagueis... so he must have lied because if he taught his apprentice the skill as i think he said.. also plagueis couldnt have been a sith legend, palpatine says it as if it were a story from hundreds of years ago when it wasnt... either way... dark side wins... jedi tolerance destroys the future like this crazy liberalism is killing america.. bla bla bla viva la empire.. im rambling.. and adding to random parts of this thread.. star wars makes no sense as the movies completely contradict the books... and natalie portmans body guard, and my future wife, keira knightley is wearing too many clothes for my liking in episode 1

also siths deal in absolutes.. i like that.. i prefer to think the grey area is crap.. plus the saying goes "all's fair in love and war" applies... as much as palpatine wanted to rule he also wanted a unified government... i dont know enough to know whether he completely instigated the war... or just found out the federations desire to rule and used it... im not a big fan of the series

and im rambling.. bye

Darth Sidious · 10-22-2005, 08:03 AM

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out of curiousity though, I always figured that Palpatine *just to cut down on the confusion smith

* was blowing smoke up Anakins *** with that story? a way to keep him off balance and unfocused. main reason for my conclusion on that is that I believe Sidious would've killed Padme eventually, just so Anakin would've had no one else to turn to afterwards. you know of anywhere that supports the claim of that being the truth?

I think the special Episode III DVD will contain some back-story regarding Palpatine, although ultimately they probably leave it to the viewer to make up their own minds as to what is and isn't the truth.

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and palpatine is the apprentice who killed plagueis... so he must have lied because if he taught his apprentice the skill as i think he said.. also plagueis couldnt have been a sith legend, palpatine says it as if it were a story from hundreds of years ago when it wasnt

You could draw a number of conclusions from this...
It's a Sith legend because the story is over a thousand years old. In Episode I, Windu states the Sith haven't been seen in over a thousand years.

Thus, Palpatine is also over a thousand years old... but he repeatedly transferred his essence into clones when his current body was dying.

As for the "Grey Side" being crap, you could say that Revan was Grey Side. He wasn't a true Sith, and he ensured the Republic's infrastructure remained intact in order to take the fight to the true Sith when they return (hopefully in KOTOR III).

PureEgo 03 · 10-22-2005, 08:55 AM

just because you can't see it doesn't mean it isn't there Smith

According to quite a bit of the star wars mythos I've gathered from the books and other sources, the sith order was always there, it was just hidden. After the sith war , which was brought about and lost by the sith lords own greed and treachery, one sithlord survived, his name was Darth Bane, and from that point forward he decided that there would never be more than 2 sith at one, a master and a apprentice to keep things in balance, and so it went for the rest of time for the sith.

and while the jedi order has been toppled a few times, I would point out that it nearly always comes back

Hell, in the movies alone the Jedi order had lasted for over a thousand generations *which I gather is a very long time* before being toppled, but Palpatines Empire only stood for a few decades before it was brought down

the power of the force is balanced between dark and light, what it really comes down to is the person who wields it.

setite · 10-22-2005, 09:16 AM

call me stupid but didnt vader want to die... he was never truly evil imo... he wanted a better world free of war for him and padme... and i think seeing his son made him give himself up... but i dont really remember those movies... i have them but im not gonna go dust them off and watch them for this thread

Darth Sidious · 10-22-2005, 10:45 AM

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one sithlord survived, his name was Darth Bane, and from that point forward he decided that there would never be more than 2 sith at one, a master and a apprentice to keep things in balance, and so it went for the rest of time for the sith.

I may have the timeline a bit wrong here, but Palpatine had Maul as an apprentice during Episode I. Obviously Dooku was building an opposing army and turned out to be Palpatine's apprentice in Episode II. So it seems to me that perhaps Palpatine had two aprentices on the go (albeit until Maul was slain)...

And didn't Kreia have Scion and Nihilus as apprentices in the academy on Malachor V?

PureEgo 03 · 10-22-2005, 11:21 AM

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call me stupid but didnt vader want to die... he was never truly evil imo... he wanted a better world free of war for him and padme... and i think seeing his son made him give himself up... but i dont really remember those movies... i have them but im not gonna go dust them off and watch them for this thread

your right and wrong, after losing Padme, he was evil and pretty much hated everything becuase he thought he had lost his child as well *cuz he didn't know they were twins *. then after he discovered that his son was alive it tore him up pretty badily, Vader didn't really want to die so much as he didn't want to kill Luke, so he set upon the course of action to turn Luke to the darkside, which would have led to vaders destruction eventually. But Luke wouldn't turn and kept appealing to his father to give up, and then save him at the end, but no, i don't vader wanted to die.

Sidious,,I don't know the full story behind Maul/Dooku, but I always figured that Dooku was going to be the figure head of the Confedarcy, but after Maul was destroyed *sith beating by a jedi* Palpatine needed a new handy man to do the dirty work for him.

and as for the characters in Kotor or Kotor II, I'm not sure where they fit into the time line of the Star Wars universe, but would hasten to point out that Kreia said that the true sith empire hadn't been encountered yet except by revan? which I thought was a rather odd way to finish out that story arc, because as it stood there were no jedi left in the galaxy now, except for the last hand maiden and the blind woman, which made me wonder exactly what the old hag was up to if she wanted to prepare the galaxy for a battle against that empire?

Darth Sidious · 10-22-2005, 11:26 AM

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and as for the characters in Kotor or Kotor II, I'm not sure where they fit into the time line of the Star Wars universe, but would hasten to point out that Kreia said that the true sith empire hadn't been encountered yet except by revan? which I thought was a rather odd way to finish out that story arc, because as it stood there were no jedi left in the galaxy now, except for the last hand maiden and the blind woman, which made me wonder exactly what the old hag was up to if she wanted to prepare the galaxy for a battle against that empire?

Maybe the final battle in this story isn't destined to be Jedi Vs Sith. Revan ensured Canderous became the head of the Mandalorians, and they're a formidable army. And Bastilla is probably still around, waiting to join Revan in the final battle.

setite · 10-22-2005, 12:43 PM

ok this thread has officially gone beyond my scope... ::holds head in pain::